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Venus

Venus captured by Mariner. -Image credit NASA
Venus captured by Mariner.
-Image credit NASA

Venus

When I first moved from the high deserts of Nevada to The tropical warmth of Florida I thought I would never have the ability to get an image of Venus. I was wrong.

Venus is the second planet to the the sun, orbiting at an average distance of 67 million miles (108 million kilometers), Venus is 0.7 astronomical units away from the sun. (1AU is the same as earth’s orbit.)[1] In order to see it you have to look right before sunset and right before sunrise, depending on what time of year it is.  It is usually low in the horizon. Being in Nevada I had little time to catch it,  usually about an hour or 2 before it went too low on the horizon. When I moved to Florida I forgot to take into account how far south I was. I assumed the trees would obscure my view or shorten what was already a short viewing time. Fortunately being this far south moved it up considerably in the horizon!

Before I got into some things I learned on this while trying to observe and photograph, I want to go into the in depth for everyone on the planet itself.

Venus Facts:

First off how big is it? Venus has a radius of 3,760 miles (6,052 kilometers), which is about as big as earth’s but slightly smaller.[1] It is similar in size however its mass is 81.5% of Earth’s.

The most notable and interesting thing about Venus is it’s atmosphere. The atmosphere is 96.5% carbon dioxide, with most of the remaining 3.5% being nitrogen.[2] The thick atmosphere of Venus is one of the best examples of a greenhouse effect. It traps the sun’s heat, and causes Venus to have the highest temperature of all the planets in the solar system. The surface temperature gets higher than 880 degrees Fahrenheit (470 degrees Celsius). While it is the hottest planet the many layers of the atmosphere has layers with different temperatures. About 30 Miles from the surface of the planet the temperature is similar to earth’s.[1] Oddly in stark contrast, at an altitude of about 125 kilometers above the surface, the Venus Express probe has recorded, the temperature drops to a chilly -175°C[3] This atmosphere is so thick that the atmospheric pressure is ninety times that of Earth.

© 2005 Pearson Prentice Hall, Inc
© 2005 Pearson Prentice Hall, Inc

This same atmosphere and heavy clouds are the cause of so much difficulty taking the photographs, which I will cover in a minute. The following two data sets show the difference between first Earth’s atmosphere and then Venus.

synthetic atmosphere absorption spectrum By The author of the workand Hitran on the Web Information System, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=20649351
Synthetic Atmosphere Absorption Spectrum. By The author of the work and Hitran on the Web Information System, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=20649351
Synthetic Atmosphere Absorption Spectrum. By The author of the work and Hitran on the Web Information System, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=20649351
Synthetic Atmosphere Absorption Spectrum. By The author of the work and Hitran on the Web Information System, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=20649351

The Surface is pretty barren and rocky, Photographs are difficult to get of the planet’s surface due to the extreme heat. The probes last a short time before overheating and ceasing to function. Here are a few photos of the surface:

The surface of Venus as seen by the Venera 13 spacecraft. Image credit Russian Aviation and Space Agency, now known as the Roscosmos State Corporation
The surface of Venus as seen by the Venera 13 spacecraft.
Image credit Russian Aviation and Space Agency, now known as the Roscosmos State Corporation

The surface of Venus as seen by the Venera 13 spacecraft. The top picture shows the actual color of the surface. This orange tint is due to the cloud cover and how it filters the light to the surface, so this is how it would look if you were standing there.  The bottom photograph shows how the surface would look if it was under earth’s lighting conditions.

A larger view is here:

surface image - Image credit: Russian Aviation and Space Agency, now known as the Roscosmos State Corporation
surface image – Image credit: Russian Aviation and Space Agency, now known as the Roscosmos State Corporation

What does it sound like? The Russians sent the Venra series of probes to the planet and from what I have been able to uncover is that there was a Venra 14 with microphone installed. this is the first probe to record sounds from another plant with in our hearing range. I am linking the audio link here .

The Upper atmospheric winds are pretty strong. The winds have been recorded at about 224 miles (360 kilometers) per hour. Atmospheric lightning bursts light up these quick-moving clouds. Speeds within the clouds decrease with cloud height, and at the surface are estimated to be just a few miles per hour.

The Planet has a weak magnetic field due to it’s slow rotation despite having an iron core. It has no moons and no rings around it. . .[1]

The surface elevation of Venus is shown. The lowest regions are marked in purple, the mid-elevations in green, and the highest parts in yellow. The gray parts are where the mapping by the Magellan spacecraft was incomplete. To see another global view of Venus's topography, click here. Actually, this little movie is pretty good, since the elevation differences between the rolling plains and the continents are more obvious. Image and animation from NASA.
The surface elevation of Venus is shown. The lowest regions are marked in purple, the mid-elevations in green, and the highest parts in yellow. The gray parts are where the mapping by the Magellan spacecraft was incomplete.  Image credit NASA.

Venus Orbits the same direction but the planet rotates opposite of earth. Venus and Uranus rotate the opposite direction of the rest of the planets.[4]

Orbit of venus Image credit: By Lookang many thanks to author of original simulation = Todd K. Timberlake author of Easy Java Simulation = Francisco Esquembre (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)], via Wikimedia Commons
Orbit of venus
Image credit: By Lookang many thanks to author of original simulation = Todd K. Timberlake author of Easy Java Simulation = Francisco Esquembre (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)%5D, via Wikimedia Commons

Phases of Venus

Due to it being closer in orbit to the sun than Earth, we see it in phases much like the moon. Honestly instead of explaining the retrograde and using a whole bunch of math and words one picture on this is easier.

The phases of Venus -created by Rachel Knott using NASA material.
The phases of Venus
-created by Rachel Knott using NASA material.

Photographing Venus

Currently my mount had to go back to Celestron for warranty repair. While trying to take photos of Venus I had the same issue arise as many other nights, hence my slow article output and not many photos this year. Taking photos with it has been a real challenge when it just stops tracking and is not responsive.

I had photographed venus a while back using the 6″ scope, my 6SE, and had the challenge of getting it before it fell to low on the horizon.

Venus taken in Northern Nevada with a Celestron 6se
Venus taken in Northern Nevada with a Celestron 6se

What I didn’t take into consideration when using the 1100 HD Edge was how much of a light bucket it is. When looking at the moon, for example, it physically hurts to look with out using the moon filter. I attempted to use filters when recording the video to be thrown into Autostakkert2, but this scope pulled in so much light that it washes any detail out. I was left with some nice phases.

Taken 1-14-2017
Taken 1-14-2017
Taken 1-14-2017
Taken 1-14-2017
Taken 1-14-2017
Taken 1-14-2017
Taken 1-14-2017
Taken 1-14-2017

As you can see the lesson from this is that while the scope aperture being large is nice, it can washout color and leave you with not a whole lot of detail. I took these using the red, blue and light yellow filters to try to get different detail. Honestly, not using any filter was a complete wash out and it was so bad it  was hard to tell where the terminator was on the planet.

The next step I am going to try is to mount the 6se on the mount when it returns and see if I can get the color and cloud detail.  I am going to attempt this between classes and see if I can do anything with the good old 6SE Nextstar mount.  What this lesson should show is that there is not one telescope or one piece of equipment that does everything. As you expand your equipment, don’t get rid of anything unless you have no choice!

As far as equipment, I used the NCelestron C1100 HD Edge, the Celestron 95506 Skyris 236C CMOS camera and the yellow, red and blue filters. Unlike in the 6se, the type of filter did absolutely nothing except show the terminator, I will absolutely revisit this with the 6se.

Speaking of Planetary Filters, What filters should you use? I have a guide here (editorial note:  as of today I have to write this article, which will be next, I just am keeping it as a place holder. )

References;

  1. Venus: In Depth NASA, http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/venus/indepth on line, accessed Febuary 6, 2017.

  2. “Atmosphere of Venus”. The Encyclopedia of Astrobiology, Astronomy, and Spaceflght. Retrieved 29 April 2007.
  3. Mahieux, A. “Densities and temperatures in the Venus mesosphere and lower thermosphere retrieved from SOIR on board Venus Express: Carbon dioxide measurements at the Venus terminator.” Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 117, E07001, 15pp (2012). doi:10.1029/2012JE004058
  4.  Squyres, Steven W. (2016). “Venus”. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Retrieved 7 January 2016.

Celestron 1100 edge HD – Product review

It’s been a little while since I did an article. I did a move and bought a new telescope. I decided, after much consideration, to purchases the Celestron 1100 edge HD with the CGEM mount. I was pretty hesitant due to the lack of product reviews and in the astrophotography community you can find helpful individuals but you also find some people who think you have an unlimited budget.

I was kinda surprised at the responses when I laid out my budget and said if you could use this much money what would you get? My initial budget was $5,000 USD. I was referenced over to mounts ranging in the $7,000 – $20,000 range. . .not really helpful and the response is “the mount is the most important thing you need to buy.” This is true. But you don’t need the top of the line if you can’t justify the budget. I did just fine with the $700 6SE standard mount and a crappy home made wedge. That being said lets continue. . .

Like I stated there was a lack of product reviews on the product. most likely because of the cost. there as also little in the way of product reviews on the sites that sold said items. . . most likely the same reason. If you want to save a bit of money and you have patience wait till it goes on sale you can save about $500 and I recommend you buy it from a place that has free shipping. So let me put your  mind at ease before you spend about $4,000 on a scope set up.

What should I expect?

Well is this product worth the money you put into it? in my mind yes it was worth every single penny. This thing is a light bucket! but before  get into that I want to start at the beginning. I said to try to find a place that offers free shipping. .is it that big of a deal. Oh yes. I had high expectations but I seriously underestimated what i was getting into. This is what shows up at your house :

It's just a few packages!
It’s just a few packages!

OK so I got a bit of the phone case over the photo eye. . . .

so It doesn’t look like much but I want to tell you that box on the right with the tube. . its bigger than the freezer on my refrigerator in the house we were living in.

When opening this, don’t destroy the tube of the gears boxes. I personally don’t buy the overpriced cases. what I do is I use the box they were shipped in and keep the foam they were shipped in. if it can survive the UPS guys and a long journey from an overseas factory to the Celestron warehouse, to the wholesaler I bought it from to my house. . .the box it came in sounds pretty good to me.

Take your time and be careful when you open it. It’s packaged pretty good, but there are parts and other small boxes inside when opening it.

Assembly

Go slow read the instructions. I double check that all my fittings are tight and everything is secure before letting go.  The scope set up is huge. Unless you are tall, don’t extend the legs fully. I go a little under 1/2 way, this thing gets tall fast!

The instructions are pretty clear an it goes together rather easy. The gearbox is 41 lbs (19 kg).  It is capable of a 40 pound payload.

The tube has handles to help get it mounted properly. There isn’t much to say except go slow, practice in the light and give yourself 20-30 min to get set up. The tube is 28 lbs (13 kg) so you have room for some gear.

assembled it should look like this :

Assembled!
Assembled!

 

Size is not everything, but I had a great deal of doubt spending more on a scope than I did my car, but you are getting a very solid and substantial piece of equipment. Take this for example, she’s 55 lbs and is average size for Australian Cattle dog :

My dog for comparison.
My dog for comparison.
and in case you need a human for scale. . .
and in case you need a human for scale. . .

This is with the legs 40% extended. I went lower because trying to use the view finder. . .even at 5’5″ (1.651 meters) I had to use a chair.  I just find it a whole lot easier to just lower it.

 What to expect

I know what you are saying. . “ok, I got it it’s big and heavy.” What you are really concerned with is how does it work.

Let’s start with the mount.  I have been told by many that you need a far better mount. I’m honestly happy with this one. Once in a while I have issues. I keep forgetting to call I think my clutch is not right but I need to check, I also suspect this may have to do with where i balance the weights on the scope. It has only happened twice, but I want to find out how serious it is, both times it happens when trying to photograph Jupiter. The tracking stops and  then it takes off in a direction.  very annoying. . . I tried to shut it down and reset the entire system. I also tried to not use the tracking, but it occurred again. I ended up going to a different target and it worked “ok”

the latitude adjustment
the latitude adjustment

As a tip, When using a wedge you have to think opposite from this. you adjust this to read what your latitude is, not your lat minus the pole. I had it backwards the first night and everything was off!

Aside from this happening it runs super smooth and I have had more excellent tracking than bad. I’m extremely happy with the mount. I’m sure the other mounts out there are excellent, but this one seems to work just fine for now.

the plugs are pretty self explanatory!
the plugs are pretty self explanatory!

Optics. . . it’s a light bucket! What I could never see before I can see just fine. Personally I can’t see things like say the lagoon nebula or the whirlpool with my own eyes, I can with the camera. Faint DSO’s like the great Hercules cluster or the ring nebula or the Saturn Nebula I can see directly by looking at it instead of having to do the averted view. Planets seem far more crisp and detailed i didn’t have to strain to see details. I saw far more moons around Jupiter & Saturn and on Mars you could make out dark patches and the polar caps.

I was surprised though when I took the first set of photographs. I thought it was as simple application, perhaps its and maybe I’m in need of changing things up. I haven’t had a clear night in 2 weeks so I can’t try new processes out. I have a few images I can show as comparisons and I can say the photos are far better.

Now first off my last Saturn photo withe good old 6se:

Saturn 5-5-2014
Saturn: using my 6se at a regular zoom

and using a barlow:

Saturn using a 2x barlow 5-5-2014
Saturn: using a barlow & 6se

What you will notice the more you try to zoom in with barlows the less detail you get you get more blotchy and pixelated. Using the exact same process I got the following:

Not perfect, but less pixilation
Not perfect, but less pixilation
same here
same here

As you can see the bands are much more pronounced. I was not happy with my results as I know I can do better. I found I have to adapt what I am doing and try to change from the old method to a much better new method.

I tried to use Firecapture but I am not too versed in how it works just yet. I like Icap as well. Please note the newer pictures were taken with a new Skyris 236c camera  instead of the 3 year old neximager5. Once I get it producing much better photos I’ll do a review on it, but between the two cameras. . what I have been able to produce this is far far better. It has a much higher frame rate. . .but back to the scope.

The new method I talk about is this. in the Old I would record for about 1 and a half minutes of Saturn and then run it all through registax6.  Now I record for 2 min and first stack with autostakkert 2. One software I am working on getting the hang of is JUPOS. For DSO’s I broke down and bought nebulosity4. I couldn’t get Deep Sky Staker (DSS) to work properly. It was worth the $100

This is a product review why am I talking processes? Because what used to work on the 6se did not yield very good results on the 100HD. It was very unforgiving for errors. Out of focus, the images make sure you know it when you process them.

another good example of how you can adapt, is I was getting worried about my pictures being complete garbage and that I wasted so much money on a telescope and all along it was just my skills. with learning the new method and better seeing conditions as it went on I got the following results. As a comparison, one of my best mars photos is here from the 6SE :

Dated and titled so we record what I used and when
recent mars with 6se

and

combined the 2 images to try to bring out details in one photo
a darker color to mars

With the 1100 I was able to produce this:

Not too shabby for mars
Not too shabby for mars this is unprocessed

then as I got to applying the new method I got this:

labelled and processed
labelled and processed

I think if you compare the two you will see there is no doubt it upped my planetary picture capabilities.

How about Deep space objects?

Good Question. I spent so much time with the planets I had barely much time to hit the DSO’s. Fear not though I got a couple and plan on doing more. The current plan is to get more Saturn and Mars pics while I can then on to Uranus and Neptune into the fall, catch Jupiter next winter/spring. In the interim, between classes and Planets I want to get some practice on the DSO’s

Remember how i said I had to learn a new method on planets? Well While I was doing that I looked into what caused my DSO’s to be so grainy looking and rough. This is called Signal to noise ratio. I had been doing what worked when I should have been looking into the right way. I didn’t know because I avoided certain forums due to egos and bad answers. However in the time I started till now there are some tried and tested methods yielding some really good results and I was just . . .out of the loop. That being said, the 1100 is unforgiving on mistakes remember? So I had to learn a new method.

Old method was I would take a bunch of different exposures to get a good result and then I would take the best of those sets and combine a picture manually in photo shop. That’s where Nebulosity helps out. the way to reduce grainy look is to take multiple photos and longer exposures to reduce signal to noise ratio thus increasing your signal and decreasing the grainy look.  you take about 20 photos of each set then use Nebulosity to combine them into one image, you get a few tools in the program to help edit the photos.

All of that aside how do DSO’s look? here is the ring nebula from the old 6se:

ring nebula: M57
taken on 7-17-2014 with a Celestron 6se

respectable. . but how does the 1100 stack up? Is it worth the money?

I did a half serious attempt to see if the new method was worth investing time and energy into it. this is my result with said “new method”

Ring Nebula
Ring Nebula

While not perfect. it shows the new method combined with the C-1100 has a great amount of potential. A point of note, I used the exact same camera in both of these. as you can also see staking about 10 frames reduced the signal to noise ratio so it is less grainy.  I would love to revisit this, make it look a whole lot better. . .this was a half filled effort to see if it was worth it.

How does it stack up to galaxies? Well with the 6se I never got more than the center of Andromeda. the best I ever got was this image of the cigar galaxy :

SN 2014J in M87 that I photographed in the high deserts of Nevada
SN 2014J in M87 that I photographed in the high deserts of Nevada

now to compare I used the Old method and got this of the whirlpool. After this image it was when I looked into the reducing of the signal to noise ratio. I knew there had to be a way. .

Whirlpool Galaxy eating it's partner
Whirlpool Galaxy eating it’s partner

Now all I need are some clear nights. . it’s been raining for the last 3 weeks.

Negatives

It’s heavy. That being aid once set up it is not mobile. . . not one bit. Polar aligning the mount is kinda dreadful at times. It’s not something I would consider portable.

Set up time is greatly increased.

I find with the EQ mount that it has such mobility I sometimes forget to take cameras out and cables and wires get pulled on. so make sure you take them out. you end up moving around the mount quite a bit. try to plan out the viewing to make moving around it easier. Also due to the size and height. I set the height to a good working height where I can get at the finder scope with out a step stool.

Since set up time is increased. . .so is tear down time. . keep that in mind with bad weather.

It is not a scope for amateurs! It is very unforgiving on errors. So its not a negative, but a word that if you aren’t doing that great on your images at first keep at it.

Movement is awkward. . .only until you get used to it. sometimes you have to go 2 directions just to go upward due to target position in the sky. its frustrating and awkward at first but you soon catch on and tart being able to get around.

One major issue I have is the F/6.3 focal reducer I bought with the 6se doe not work on this scope.  I cannot get the scope to focus using it. Celestron makes one for the 1100 HD the Reducer Lens .7x – EdgeHD 1100. What really angers me is this is another accessory that is another $600 on average. I am seriously angry at this price tag on something like this. I will be looking into a way to make the other one work or adapt it. It came up as an after thought so they developed one, people got the old one to work on this. I will be posting what I find on it. As for now I am limited to the Orion one for my camera.

Final thoughts

Is it worth the price tag? that depends on if you want to seriously dive into the hobby. If you are worried about the price tag, yes it is expensive. You are getting a sold piece of equipment here! nothing about it is flimsy!

Is it a noticeable difference? VERY much! from visual to photography. I still don’t see certain things with my unaided eye so the camera helps me see these. Even the whirlpool I can’t see with out using the camera.

“What about the mount? I have people telling me its not good enough.” Take it with a grain of salt as the saying goes. so many people get really good pictures with the same set up, and others tell you you have to have the latest and greatest. but I can’t justify spending the same amount on a scope set up as I could for a house.

All in all you will definitely see more and deeper. Your planetary images will look far far better.

My next direction I would like to go is getting the HyperStar and a better camera but Hyperstar first.

I sincerely hope this helps. I had 2 years of agony pouring over each minor details between it and a Ritchey–Chrétien. I was very happy with my choice.

As always keep looking up and never let them tell you you can’t do something!